If jesus was god, how could he die?

all that died was the human shell and then it came back...this story makes no sense....how did this save man? jesus knew he was coming back...

Answer

Excellent point. Jesus was a man, not divine on earth. Saying he was fully divine on earth unwittingly denies the ransom, for he could not fully die then.

Jesus volunteered to cancel Adam's sin. "By sinning, Adam lost the precious possession of perfect human life. Hence, he could not pass it on to his offspring. Instead, he could pass on only sin and death. Jesus, whom the Bible calls “the last Adam,” had a perfect human life, and he never sinned. (1 Corinthians 15:45) In a sense, Jesus stepped into Adam’s place in order to save us. By sacrificing, or giving up, his perfect life in flawless obedience to God, Jesus paid the price for Adam’s sin. Jesus thus brought hope to Adam’s offspring.—Romans 5:19; 1 Corinthians 15:21, 22."

Source(s):

The Ransom—God’s Greatest Gift
http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/article_0…

Comment:

I agree with you that Trinitarianism, Jesus being God, is goofy. But notice my reply if you will, or my blog. Thanks. 

 

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Was the south park episode correct about Mormons?

it says its true and most of it I have found to be true to what they believe but Im curious to hear what you think.
also, mormons...how do you feel about the episode?

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-epi… season 7 episode 12 if you want to watch it

Note, this is the complete link: http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s07e12-all-about-the-mormons


Answer:

In substance, it's correct. The gold plates in this parody are shown as 4 separate plates, when they were actually claimed to be a stack bound with 3 gold rings. This parody also has the townsfolk in 1820 talking of Joseph's "First Vision" of seeing the Heavenly Father and Jesus. However, this is anachronistic since no one in 1820 knew of it like that, as it was first dictated by Joseph in 1838, and no published source mentions it until 1842.

Edit: Regarding Martin Harris, who "was lampooned as a credulous and easily fooled rich man" in this parody, see: How reliable is the Martin Harris testimony?
http://mormonthink.com/witnessesweb.htm#…
"In March 1838, disillusioned church members said that Harris had publicly denied that neither he nor the other Witnesses to the Book of Mormon had ever seen or handled the golden plates—although he had not been present when Whitmer and Cowdery first claimed to have viewed them—and they claimed that Harris's recantation, made during a period of crisis in early Mormonism, induced five influential members, including three Apostles, to leave the Church."

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http://irr.org/mit/first-vision/fvision-…
http://irr.org/mit/first-vision.html

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Jehovah's Witnesses where does the Bible say Michael the angel accepted worship?

Joshua 5:14. The prince of the army of Jehovah was doubtlessly* Michael the archangel. The Hebrew word rendered "worship" in the KJV is the same word used in Genesis 43:26, 28 regarding Joseph and 1 Chronicles 29:20 for King David. However, all such prostrations are "to the glory of God the Father."--Philippians 2:11.

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* Daniel identifies Michael the archangel as the prince of God's people (10:21; 12:1), and Revelation 12:7 identifies him as the commander of the angelic armies. So the conclusion seems inescapable that this prince Joshua met and bowed down to is Michael the archangel.

Link (I was the first to apply Joshua 5:14. Some Trinitarians gave this a thumb down due to low-cerebral activity.)

Members of the Christian faith: What do you disagree on with Mormons and their doctrine?

While I agree with them on the great apostasy for the most part, the biggest point of disagreement is on the nature of sin and salvation...and biology, for they believe that Adam and Eve were created without blood.

The LDS.org Bible Dictionary sums up Mormon teaching this way:
"Before the fall, Adam and Eve had physical bodies but no blood. There was no sin, no death, and no children among any of the earthly creations. With the eating of the “forbidden fruit,” Adam and Eve became mortal, sin entered, blood formed in their bodies, and death became a part of life."

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/f/2

So, according to Mormonism, when Adam fell or transgressed, blood appeared in his body. But, Jesus had blood, as Mormonism believes too! Mormonism teaches that Jesus “made a perfect atonement for the sins of all mankind by shedding of his blood and giving his life on the cross.”

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/j/22

Therefore, both the Bible and Mormon Jesus had blood, which according to Mormonism is the product of Adam's transgression.

What we have here may be called a soteriological contradiction, for Jesus was holy and sinless--he did not have any products of Adam's transgression. (Luke 1:35; Hebrews 4:15)

Edit: I see Mormons are thumbing down this post and others, hoping they will go away. (sigh) Instead of thumbing this post down, why not think about it? Contact me to discuss this if you want.

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Jehovah's Witnesses, do you believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel?

Does the Watchtower still teach this. On what scriptural basis can Michael be Jesus? I studied and read my Bible on this subject and have never come to the conclusion that Michael and Jesus are one and the same. Please explain (unless it's not taught anymore). Thanks

Yes. Some people just refuse to believe that though, so no amount of persuasive and logical, scriptural reasoning will help. Instead, some prefer to believe that Jesus is fully human and fully divine in the spirit realm--that God is a Jewish man outside of earth's atmosphere. They refer to scriptures like 1 Timothy 2:5 that refer to Jesus being a man by experience, and claim it means he's a physical man outside of earth's atmosphere. But this just denies Jesus' divinity as this human-divine duality, this Hypostatic Union, is analogous to a square circle or freezing inferno. It also contradicts what Jesus, Peter, and Paul taught about Jesus' body and the laws of physics. Paul also stated that Jesus is not a man in Galatians 1:1.

The only alternative then is that Jesus is another person, one who would be over the angels. That's the role of the only archangel.

Source(s):

John 8:21, 23; 1 Corinthians 15:45, 50 ("flesh and blood" is human nature that is bound to earthly conditions); 1 Timothy 3:16; 1 Peter 3:18.

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My Answer to: Do all Jehovah's Witnesses believe this? Please Help!?

Jehovah's Witnesses believe and confess that Jesus had a completely different body and the one that was scarred had been dissolved and done away with by The Lord.

If this is true then why would Jesus be deceptive in proving that He was the risen Christ?

Thomas the disciple needed proof that Jesus was indeed the risen Christ who had been crucified therefore Jesus showed him scars in His hands and side as proof.

SCRIPTURE:
Then said He to Thomas, "Reach hither thy finger and behold My hands, and reach hither thy hand and thrust it into My side: and be not faithless, but believing"

So here is my Question:

"Do Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus showed Thomas replicated scars and not the actual scars He received for our Salvation?"

My Answer:

The book You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth states on pp. 143-5:

FLESHLY BODY NOT TAKEN TO HEAVEN
However, many persons believe that Christ took his fleshly body to heaven. They point to the fact that when Christ was raised from the dead, his fleshly body was no longer in the tomb. (Mark 16:5-7) Also, after his death Jesus appeared to his disciples in a fleshly body to show them that he was alive. Once He even had the apostle Thomas put his hand into the hole in His side so that Thomas would believe that He had actually been resurrected. (John 20:24-27) Does this not prove that Christ was raised alive in the same body in which he was put to death?

No, it does not. The Bible is very clear when it says: “Christ died once for all time concerning sins . . . , he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.” (1 Peter 3:18) Humans with flesh-and-blood bodies cannot live in heaven. Of the resurrection to heavenly life, the Bible says: “It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. . . . flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom.” (1 Corinthians 15:44-50) Only spirit persons with spiritual bodies can live in heaven.

Well, then, what happened to Jesus’ fleshly body? Did not the disciples find his tomb empty? They did, because God removed Jesus’ body. Why did God do this? It fulfilled what had been written in the Bible. (Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:31) Thus Jehovah saw fit to remove Jesus’ body, even as he had done before with Moses’ body. (Deuteronomy 34:5, 6) Also, if the body had been left in the tomb, Jesus’ disciples could not have understood that he had been raised from the dead, since at that time they did not fully appreciate spiritual things.

But since the apostle Thomas was able to put his hand into the hole in Jesus’ side, does that not show that Jesus was raised from the dead in the same body that was nailed to the stake? No, for Jesus simply materialized or took on a fleshly body, as angels had done in the past. In order to convince Thomas of who He was, He used a body with wound holes. He appeared, or seemed to be, fully human, able to eat and drink, just as did the angels that Abraham once entertained.—Genesis 18:8; Hebrews 13:2.

While Jesus appeared to Thomas in a body similar to the one in which He was put to death, He also took on different bodies when appearing to His followers. Thus Mary Magdalene at first thought that Jesus was a gardener. At other times his disciples did not at first recognize him. In these instances it was not his personal appearance that served to identify him, but it was some word or action that they recognized.—John 20:14-16; 21:6, 7; Luke 24:30, 31.

For 40 days after his resurrection, Jesus made appearances in a fleshly body to his disciples. (Acts 1:3) Then he left for heaven. (end quote)

So if Jesus appeared in the same body he sacrificed, would it not appear that he had invalidated the ransom? It certainly would, especially to Satan who would then charge him as being fraudulent. Also, please consider Galatians 1:1, where Paul in effect said that Jesus is not a man.

Hi Rusty (and anyone else), if you read our comments carefully, you'll see that Jesus is a spirit who materialized. There is a scriptural precedent for this. Also, Jesus is a man now experientially, not ontologically. That's because Jesus said he is not from our lower (physical) world in John 8:23, and Peter said he is not physical but is a spirit in 1 Peter 3:18. Regarding Hebrews 13:8, Jesus' personality is the same regardless of being a spirit being in heaven. Did you know that we can only live on earth or in earthly conditions? Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:50 that physical bodies cannot enter heaven. So Jesus cannot have a physical body outside of earth, for Jesus said that heaven is a higher world than our lower world in John 8:23. Also, please consider Galatians 1:1, where Paul in effect said that Jesus is not a man. Jesus is a man now experientially (by experience), not ontologically. Ontologically he is a spirit as Peter and Paul said.

Additional comment:

Yes, the angels who materialized as "humans" still existed as angels. Of course they were not children of Adam requiring a redeemer! :-) When finished, they dematerialized like the ascending Jesus did when a cloud obscured him from view. Thanks for asking!

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Additional reading:

• Jesus’ Resurrection Body http://jimspace3000.blogspot.com/2012/10/jesus-resurrection-body-this-blog-entry.html
• Passing Through the Curtain http://jimspace3000.blogspot.com/2014/12/passing-through-curtain.html
• Dismantling Trinitarianism http://jimspace3000.blogspot.com/2014/01/dismantling-trinitarianism-you-foolish.html